This is Everybody was desperate for sources, new sources of nitrogen. He walked out of the room, and just started weeping. And you've done this how many times before. What my father and his colleagues know is that something was done to these bodies. Now, we don't actually know if he threw a party. This was one of the bloodiest arenas on the, uh, Western front. And he says, "That's what people wanted. She was good to- she was good to me. Hey, I'm Jad Abumrad. But in experiment number three, if they put the shockee in the same room with the shocker so the shocker could actually see the person as the shockee. Now, Haber was Jewish, but because he had served in World War I-. Here it goes. And I heard about him from science writer, Sam Kean. Especially when it came to one particular fact. Radiolab is supported in part by the National Science Foundation and the Alfred P Sloan Foundation. Fritz Haber's a professor, small university. In a rage how? Do you leave this experiment in a light mood or in a dark mood? ", In Titus Andronicus, there's a character by the name of Aaron the Moor-, And there's a moment in the play where Aaron gets up on stage, looks at the audience and says, "Let me just tell you the kinds of things I've been up to recently.". Suddenly I'm thinking this is actually a darker interpretation. We were just enacting an old, very famous experiment that you may have heard about. Yeah. Their goal is to make the home buying process smoother for you. However, that leaves behind 20 million Germans. So, I broke up with him. Radiolab believes your ears are a portal to another world. Right now get $50 towards select mattresses by visiting casper.com/radiolab and using Code Radiolab at checkout. And they ask for it to be reformulated to take out the warning smell, and it becomes zyklon B, the killing gas of the concentration camps. People like director Sam Mendez, musicians Jean Batiste, and Wynton Marsalis, Call Your Girlfriends [inaudible 00:27:12], and our very own Alec Baldwin. My point is sometimes when we ask the why in the face of profound evil I kind of wonder if what we're doing is that we're daring God to show himself. He loves the fatherland, and he loves Germany. In graphic detail. At this point, David's moved onto a new university and he's teaching an introductory psychology class. And even when they do say, "Yes." You've touched me. They're trying to do the right thing. He is a solder, he works for a general, the general's name is Othello. Uh, she, uh, expressed disapproval about his, um, clothing choices. There's trench warfare, it gets bogged down and Haber has an idea. Yeah, but those are fantasies, they're some of them actually seem like-, Okay, this is a 20 year old female. Enhancing public understanding of science and technology in the modern world. And he believed it. We, as onlookers to this study, we have this kind of godlike sort of vision of like, "Well, of course, what they're doing is wrong." But if you think that's the right thing, if you think that science is worth pursuing you say, "Okay, I'll go along with this.". So you ask like, "Why do people do bad things?". You know what's going to happen if she [inaudible 01:02:25]. And it's moving at about one meter per second. Listen Infective Heredity. It's 0924 hours on June 17th, year 2003. Each answer just begs another why. He did this experiment a bunch of times, and in a bunch of different ways. How could you? It's absolutely essential that you continue. The thing is that I do have a new boyfriend, but my ex-boyfriend doesn't know that yet, and I'm terrified that he'll do what he says. But the weird thing is that he decides not just to take down Othello, but everybody. plus-circle Add Review. Yeah. A box of ashes. So, who is- who is this guy right here? He's bald, he has a potbelly, he has these pince-nez spectacles, he's chomping on a Virginian cigar, he was always smoking these Virginian cigars and he's wearing a fur coat. Then the executioner castrates you, cuts you open, and takes out your internal organs, and then separate your head; which is put on a post. It's all right. Well, we're trying to think about what goes on in the mind of a bad person. But it wasn't until a few years later that he learned something that really put what happened that night into context. He goes straight to the German high command, and he pitches this idea. Said- said, "Yes, I've thought about killing someone.". I'm [Clemmy Buttonhill 00:26:56], I'm here to tell you about the Open Airs Project, the new podcast form WNYC studios and WQXR, in which people share stories about the classical music that gets them through their lives. At high temperature. Radiolab is supported, in part, by the National Science Foundation, and by the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, enhancing public understanding of science, technology in the modern world. Wasn't satisfying me, it made me mad that she was very much in a hurry, she had something else on her mind, and I killed her. Right. Direct your voice toward that microphone in the room [inaudible 00:20:33]-, So they sit down in the chair thinking, "Wow, this is really important. Bald on top. And we end with the story of a man who chased one of the most prolific serial killers in US history, then got a chance to ask him the question that had haunted him for years: why? Although, clearly on some level they know it isn't. Okay, so what happened to David that night with his friend got him really curious about murder, and badness, and all these things we're thinking about. The killer seemed to have placed the bodies as if they were mannequins. That's one of the things we have to know and that's why it's okay to let out. And the way I killed her, I cared for her because I dated her for [inaudible 01:01:43]. There are hints of reasons. It was a warning smell so that people didn't inadvertently breathe it in and get sick. Takes away his wife, his children, all his material possessions. What's the noble cause in this case? But I mean, he's up to 195 volts. And Hitler takes over. And he was someone who had very big ambitions. Let not your sorrows die though I am dead. And I- I killed her. So, how do you feel about him now because I don't know I can't help but feel bad for the guy? In that why, in that one simple why that he asked Gary, there was a lot of questions he was asking. And I used to socialize with him and- and his wife. For information about Sloan, at www.sloan.org. But did it, publicly, in front of her friends. But if looked at from another perspective, there is a sense in which you could celebrate what they're doing. Big questions are investigated . Then the executioner castrates you, cuts you open, and takes out your internal organs, and then, separates your head, which is put on a post. And also thank you to Alex Haslem, Professor of Psychology at the University of Exeter. He would change where the shocker and the shockee sat. So my father and the other interviewer in that room that morning, Detective John [Matsen 00:58:19], they start using a line, a tact of interviewing that was very. I'm going to resign.". Well what's the noble cause in this case? Even now. That's right. I'm not saying a word. According to James, he is not the baddest-. She was one of the first women to earn a PhD in her country. You're telling us all this. This is Radiolab and today we're going to get bad. Well he started fuming that his wife had dissed him, and-. Wasn't satisfied [inaudible 01:01:21] maybe mad 'cause she was very much in a hurry. And he said, "To start, you want to know about bad? And to make the problem even more annoying. He had an experimenter who wasn't a scientist, but was a member of the general public. What makes a bad person so bad that he's different from the rest of us? After all, he knows what he can stand. And it gets even more disturbing for my father as the conversation suddenly pivots to another victim. If those two participants refused to go on-, Saying like, "I don't want to kill a guy. ", He actually threw a dinner party in celebration-. I'll give you bad. Test the outer edges of what you think you know, Copyright 2019 New York Public Radio. Um, with a black belt in karate. We're going off tape now. What does he say? One of the reasons it grows, is because it's sucking up all the nitrogen in the soil. And then the final one-. But if looked at from another perspective, there's a sense in which you could celebrate what they're doing. One of those very tiny, old fashioned, uh, pair of glasses that would pinch on your nose. And every time that guy got a word wrong-. Haber finds himself in a little town in Belgium called-. And this is necessary in order to advance our noble cause.". Well, that's because you- be-because Molly's been in the chair. So you're saying they were shocking these people because they thought it was worthwhile? But he organizes soldiers, he organizes whole gas units. Was he trying to make a commentary or something? Next, we meet a man who scrambles our notions of good and evil: chemist Fritz Haber, who won a Nobel Prize in 1918around the same time officials in the US were calling him a war criminal. But if you look at Milgram's work closely. And he was someone who had very big ambitions. And if they still were resisting or struggling, they'd get proud number three. It's very important because if you ask university undergraduates what does the Milgram study show, they will invariably say something like "They show that people obey orders" okay? Get $50 towards select mattresses by visiting casper.com/radiolab and using code radiolab at checkout. You know, what does he say? And shortly after his return, Clara, allegedly, confronts him and says, "Look, you are morally bankrupt. That's Stanley Milgram talking about the experiment in a film in case you've never heard of this. Yes, and he did too. He gets promoted to the rank of captain-. He just kind of went crazy. The authoritative record of New York Public Radio's programming is the audio record. Podcasts; . So you see it's just in that one experiment that 65 percent of people are willing to go all the way. Uh, he's a master plotter. Despite the chlorine gas, he didn't intend for that to happen. In 2016, Abumrad took a four-month break from Radiolab, in large part to recharge from what he's described as burnout from the years of making the show in his distinctly intense and very. And now that we're sort of just on the other side of that. Was it nice day? This is Radiolab and today we're talking about Well, we're trying to think about what goes on in the mind of a bad person. Stanley Milgram had four scripted prods that he wrote out for his experimenters for when the subjects didn't want to continue. Okay. And is found by her son. This is basically what Stanley Milgram set out to test. You've touched me. Now there's a footnote to this that is very strange. The expectation is somebody is made to make his peace with his maker before he dies; that's what you do. Go to audible.com/radiolab or text Radiolab to 500500 for a free 30-day trial and a free audiobook. The use of it, he couldn't have imagined. Let's begin with this story from our producer, Pat Walters. We will begin with this test. He's bad. It was- it was a warning smell so that people didn't inadvertently breathe it in and get sick. And when nitrogen and hydrogen bond together, the thing you get-. An experiment is being conducted in the elegant interaction laboratory at Yale University. He won't answer. All right. And in January of 1984, the Green River Task Force was formed, and my father was recruited to the task force. I'm going to resign.". Of course, normally you just have one experimenter who's giving you these instructions. That's my opinion that's where I'm going to stand on it. He's a master planner. My dad said, "I don't want to talk about it." Stanley Milgram had four scripted prods that he wrote out for his experimenters. And so when I went to the party, the party was already in full swing when I got there. Don't- don't the man's health mean anything? So, at a time when there are people all over our country eyeing other people all over the country and thinking, "She's bad. He gets promoted to the rank of Captain. This story made us wonder is David's friend, is he unusual? Thanks to all our great storytellers. He signs up immediately, sends a letter volunteering for duty. It has enough what they used to call then solar energy. Did members of Haber's family die in the concentration camps? Okay? And, uh, so does Clara. radiolab-archive. Sap in the next room just because they were being told to? His experiment remains one of the most famous experiments of the 20th century. Maybe it's all about doubt in the end. That I remember picking her up and-. TRANSCRIPTS We are working to provide transcripts for as much of our programming as we can over. You better check in on him, sir. To feed about 30 million people. Like, you walked into the room, what- what do you find? The fact that he kept on doing it over, and over, and over again was like, "Come on.". So he decided he was going to invent a process to pay for these reparations by himself. He would obscure. With all of the black-and-white moralizing in our world today, we decided to bring back an old show about the little bit of bad that's in all of usand the little bit of really,reallybad that's in some of us. The questionnaires they filled out are part of the Milgram archive at Yale. The Bad Show Jul 27, 2018. It gets bogged down. Hey this is Jad, RadioLab is supported by IBM. Go to audible.com/radiolab or text Radiolab to 500500 for a free 30-day trial and a few audiobook. He works for a general. You can see this in the surveys that the men filled out after the experiments were over. And why is it so important, do you think, to understand the why behind such an evil act? Necrophilia. ", Yes I did need to kill. You know, he's a man adrift. ", Only 10 percent, under those circumstances, go on. 450 volts every shock now? I'm almost done, guys. The leaves would just sort of shrivel, and the grass was turning to the color of metal. And, um, why is it so important do you think to understand the why behind such an evil act? Very distinctive looking man, bald on top, trim nice mustache, wore a little [pince-nez 00:28:20]. And Christensen, I dated her several times bef- three times- two times before. Listen Now. But harbor saw it as a wonderful success, and wished that the Germans had been better prepared to exploit it, because he felt they really could have made a terrific advance if they had had more confidence. Cruelty, violence, badness. "The experiment requires that you continue.". Okay. Take one. He said that if I ever had a relationship with another man, he was going to send videos of us having sex to all the people in my university. Well, if you dressed it up, and if you had some minor vairance in the paradigm, you could presumable, you know, make- make this up. You can find out more information about all those guys on our website, radiolab.org. Mm-hmm (affirmative). The first victims of the Green River killer were found in the summer of 1982. Who's going to do this powerful piece of science. Whether the learner likes it or not, we must-, What's interesting is that how all of these struggles, all of them-, Play out the same way. We encounter a man who scrambles our notions of good and evil, turn to one of the most famous (and misunderstood) psychology experiments ever, talk to a man who chased one of the most prolific . To find page after page of yeses. Yes, I did mean to kill. My point is sometimes when we ask the why in the face of profound evil, I kind of wonder if what we're doing is that we're daring God to show himself. Um, although there's some (laughs) [crosstalk 00:02:19]. When you press one of the switches, all the way down, the learner gets a shock. ", Meanwhile, later that night on the other side of town-. This story made us wonder, "Is David's friend-". Well the thing that haunts me about the why question is that I'm reminded of one of the oldest stories in the Bible, which is the story of Job. He has a pot belly. To him, he seemed calm and I left, and went home. When I stand before you, judges of Israel, in this court to accuse Adolf Eichmann. You know [crosstalk 00:25:00]. Um, could you just- just tell me, uh, the little story that you begin your book with? It's 9:24 hours on June 17th, year 2003. Visit casper.com/radiolab and use code radiolab and check out to get $50 towards select mattresses. As soon as it did, soldiers began to convulse. And that's all the difference in the world. And he is celebrated for it. Like shocking an innocent stranger over and over. A liquid that has captured the nitrogen right out of the air. But in a us sort of way. Under extreme, extreme pressure at high temperature, and then he forces hydrogen into the tank. He recruited a bunch of subjects-. I knew what he was capable of, so I suggested that we go out for a walk and I, basically, spent the next half hour walking around with him trying to cool him off. James Shapiro, professor of English at Columbia University. Suspected that it could be upwards of 75. If those two participants refused to go on. Yeah, members of his extended family did; certainly friends of his did. All rights reserved. Now, as we sort of know in life, lots of things that we do, if they worthwhile doing, and not always easy. I-. What did you remember since we last talked [inaudible 00:57:19]? It's like playing dirty. We want what Elizabethan's got at the scaffold, which was a confession. And to approach it with kind of crazy joy, I don't know. Yeah. That allows an individual to act inhumanely? Certainly friends of his did. I thought about grabbing a knife quickly and stabbing him in the chest repeatedly until he was dead. I just needed to kill her." A lot of them are really positive even though they've just been told that they were duped. I- horrified is- I was- I was pretty stunned. That is true. And what he means is that when nitrogen atoms are just free floating in the air, they will cling to each other. All right, so I'm going to talk to you over this intercom, okay? "Oh, you tell me sir, yes sir, no sir, three bags full, sir.". And then, he seemed fine when I said goodbye to him. Continuing using the last switch on the board please. My dorsal hair stood up when I read the end of this. Where sound illuminates ideas, and the boundaries blur between science, philosophy, and human experience. Thanks to all our great storytellers, Dan Charles, Sam Kean, Latif Nassar, Fred Kaufman, and Fritz Stern. So, he ends up admitting it. I think they have to be extreme in the extreme. Especially because she found out he was leaving the next day to direct more gas attacks. Radiolab.org. It's a pretty (bleep) thing to miss, isn't it really? But it wasn't until a few years later that he learned something that really put what happened that night into context. In December of 2001, my father and his colleagues, uh, made the arrest. Oft have I digged up dead men from their graves and sit them up right at the dear friend's door. On the other hand, I mean, if you look at the grand calculus, people he's helped or fed, versus people he's killed, I mean he's fed billions of people. Thank you to James Shapiro whose most recent book is called Contested Will. [inaudible 00:59:22] it's building up [inaudible 00:59:24]. So, you know, around this point, I just don't want to have anything to do with this guy. He could have never imagined that. And it becomes Zyklon B, the killing gas of the concentration camps. I mean, that was make believe. I think you got to answer it, "With him." He's such a puzzle to me. Yes. We asked, "Who do you think about killing?" Oh, that right there, slap some quotations around that. Our food source then moves into our bodies. 'cause actually he studied between 20 and 40 different variants of this same paradigm. Radiolab is supported by Audible. Well, Sam, what happened to this guy after World War I? The questionnaires they filled out are part of the Milgram archive at Yale. Do we know? Iago. Then he goes and celebrates that, and then walks away from his child and his wife dead in the garden and says, "More of that please.". That's it? Nobody had done what she was about to do on the scale that he was about to do it. Accuracy and availability may vary. God. 10s, 10, 15, 20 times. Today's date is, uh, June 17th. There's you, and there's two other participants. Was he trying to make a commentary, and so was he grappling with something? You know what's going to happen if she pisses you off. I would rather have scientists who carry doubt with them as they proceed. Is an absolute order. I'm going to take a break. That's one of the things that we- that we need to know. RadioLab is supported, in part, by the National Science Foundation, and the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation. Then suddenly the thought occurred to me that my life would be much happier without him in existence.". I've been thinking about him for the better part of a year as you know. So Stanley Milgram actually begins these experiments the same year that Adolf Eichmann goes on trial for Nazi war crimes. And he is basically homeless at this point. The reason why he's telling all this stuff is because he has cut a deal. So, during World War I Haber's institute had developed a formulation of, um, insect killing gas called zyklon. So Stanley Milgram actually begins these experiments-. Carries electric shocks. And it's moving in about one meter per second. And one of the first acts that the Nazis do is to basically issue an order that says there shall be no Jews in the civil service. And I devoted one class session to the topic of homicide and why people kill. And you tell us, "Actually, you know under some circumstances, we don't do the bad thing we're told to do because, here's another flip, we don't have to be told. Yes. Does he- is he saying what I think he's saying? And that was a question that had haunted my father for decades. Because it takes such energy and pressure to separate it This trivalent bond is so strong that when it comes back together, that energy that's released, it could be used for life or death. And he believed it. And we end with the story of a man who chased one of the most prolific serial killers in US history, then got a chance to ask him the question that had haunted him for years: why? He would give all his baddies at least one moment where they could be understood. If I don't leave my house right now, I'm going to kill her." 'cause this room's echo-ey and you know there's nothing like a closet full of clothes to, like, help balance that out. Hi, my name is Josh, and I'm calling from Harlem, New York. No, but there's part of me says, "You know, here's a guy who just wanted to do everything better than had ever been done before." So, the subject seemed willing to shock another human being, but as soon as you say it's an order. Let me- let me jump just, uh, a quote in front of me. And Haber has an idea. Terrestrials: A New Kids Show from Radiolab. But if they were prepared to do that, when I suspect a lot of them would, then we'd say, "These are people who really believe in science, and isn't this a good thing that we have people in our society, who are willing to make sacrifices-. And my father wasn't buying it. Stanley Milgram took electric shock very seriously. You know, "I just want to kill her. And not just 'cause he was vain, which everyone agrees he was, but because he loves his country. And Satan's like, "Well, I- I bet I can change his mind." Search metadata Search text contents Search TV news captions Search radio transcripts Search archived web sites Advanced Search. What kind of tech company does the world need today? He would have each subject sit down at a table. "Well, why can't you deal with it in a normal way?" Within minutes, the gas reached the allied side. Gary is dancing around this topic. These are- these are people who are incredibly noble. Whether it was feeding, or killing, or-, And he does. Hi, I'm Robert Krulwich. Each answer just begs another why. Why did you inflict on this suffering on them, on us? Could you just tell me the little story that you begin your book with? I'm about to help this quest for knowledge. And while you're doing that, just give me your finger. If this is the singular moment in Shakespeare where he gives you an un-understandably evil man, no motives, no reason; any idea what the hell he was intending? And, "Well why the rage?" So, basically at 6:00 pm at April 22nd. Three, two, one. Visit our website terms of use at www.wnyc.org for further information. 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